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Can you please speak a bit about immortality - of the timeless beingness.

January 2012, Question 1 of 1

Nukunu:

To say the truth, nothing happens when the body goes! Nothing really happens now! Yes it is experienced that things are happening, I don’t deny that, but things are not what they appear to be. All experiences are fleeting, transient and impermanent. Is anything happening in a dream? Yes, you cannot deny that it is experienced so. But where do the people in the dream go when you wake up? Life is like a dream dreamt with open eyes.

You ask “what happens when the body goes?” If you believe in the dream you will continue without a body into new dreams, the life after this, but it is only dreams. What happens when you wake up from your dreams in the morning? If you robbed a bank in the dream will you start looking for the money you got hold of when you wake up? You will say “it was a dream”. But this life is also a dream. So if you die in the dream you call life it just continues - this is called reincarnation.

If you wake up in the dream you call life it is called “Spiritual Awakening” or “Enlightenment”. You will realize that you are the Cosmic Dreamer - the absolute that is dreaming life. “IT” is dreaming the body you call “your body.”

When you realize the absolute you realize yourself to be a marvelous absence that is beyond time and space. It is an indescribable wonderful feeling. No words can pick it up. It is in a way like being two realities that are not separated. The old me-body structure is just seen as an instrument for a much more profound reality and you are both, but in this realization the body is seen as an elusive appearance - as a ghost.

In the spiritual literature you will find expressions like “spiritual death” This points at the realization that the instrument has died because you have now realized that it never really existed.

If you die spiritually while still alive you will go beyond life and death. You will say “but how can I die I have never come in the first place!” In the East a person who has realized this is called a “Jivan Mukti.”- Free while alive.

The word “immortality” is still referring to the dream of life. It is a relative concept because it depends on its opposite, on “mortality”, and it depends on time - you live forever “in time”.

Your true nature is beyond these categories, beyond time and space.

Many people have had out of the body experiences and in Satsang I have been asked again and again” is that the real me that is watching the body from above?” This that is watching from above is sometimes called the soul or the higher self, but whatever we call it we can still ask the question “What is it that is aware of both the body and the soul?” And that which is aware of both where is that located? That which is aware of both the body and the soul is located nowhere in particular and that mysterious presence is you - the real you!

The whole discussion about reincarnation and what happens after life is still part of the dream - a dream with or without a body.

All channeling work is a part of the dream, as is the one who is channeling and the one who is being channeled!

If you have fully awakened you don’t go anywhere when the imagined body goes! And when I use the word “fully” this means that there is no desire left and no one to desire either.

In the Buddhist tradition there is the beautiful “Bodhisattva vow”, where the awakened person takes the vow, “I will come back again and again as long as there are sentient beings and free them” knowing perfectly well that there is really no sentient being to free”. It is a dream and any desire, good or bad, takes you into the dream again.

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